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A Nobel Prize winner argues banning CRISPR babies wont work

Scientists are vigorously debating how, and if, they can put the human gene-editing genie back in th..

By admin , in Science , at April 2, 2019

Scientists are vigorously debating how, and if, they can put the human gene-editing genie back in the bottle.

There is widespread agreement that its currently “irresponsible” to make heritable changes in human cells. Gene editors, even the much lauded CRISPR/Cas9 molecular scissors, have not yet been proven safe and effective enough to use to alter genes in the human germline; embryos, eggs, sperm or the cells that give rise to eggs and sperm. But that didnt stop Chinese scientist Jiankui He from announcing in 2018 the births of two gene-edited babies.

Now in the wake of almost universal outrage over Hes actions, efforts are under way to prevent others from doing the same thing.

Some scientists have recently proposed a temporary moratorium on editing that would result in babies that carry heritable changes. Such a ban would last for perhaps five years to buy enough time to improve the technology and to allow for public debate (SN Online: 3/13/19) .

An advisory committee to the World Health Organization has alternatively proposed a global registry of work on human gene editing. Such a database would provide transparency and a better understanding of the state of gene-editing science, committee representatives said in a news conference March 19.

Science News talked with Nobel laureate David Baltimore, who is president emeritus of Caltech, about the ongoing debate. Baltimore, a virologist and immunologist, chaired two international summits on human gene editing. The interview has been edited for brevity and clarity.

SN: Youve come out in the past as not being in favor of a moratorium. Why?

Baltimore: Its largely a semantic issue. Statements made after the first summit and the second summit have avoided using the term moratorium. Consciously. Because that word has been associated with very firm rules about what you can do and what you cant do.

I fully agree — and the whole group of us involved in the summits agree — that were not ready to be doing germline modification of humans, if we ever are. You might say, “Well, thats a moratorium,” and, in a sense, it is. I dont have a big argument about that.

But the important point is to be flexible going forward. Thats whats wrong with a moratorium. Its that the idea gets fixed in peoples minds that were making firm statements about what we dont want to do and for how long we dont want to do it.

With a science thats moving forward as rapidly as this science is, you want to be able to adapt to new discoveries.

— David Baltimore

With a science thats moving forward as rapidly as this science is, you want to be able to adapt to new discoveries, new opportunities and new understandings. To make rules is probably not a good idea.

Whats a good idea is to be on top of a changing environment and to adjust to it as time goes by. And thats both an ethical environment and a practical environment of the mechanics of gene editing.

SN: Would a global registry of all gene-editing experiments help?

Baltimore: A gene-editing event in which a human beings genes have been modified, or in which a childs genes have been modified, is something that will be passed on through the rest of time. It is now part of the heredity of the human species. If we dont know its happened, we dont know that [edited] gene is there, so we cant identify the effect of having that [altered] gene.

So I think it is important that there be a registry of all gene-editing events, so that we can follow, over time, the consequences of those modified genes.… It is important [to] follow these children as they get older. You just want to make sure there is not some sort of untoward medical aspect to it, and second of all, to know what genes have been modified.

A registry would be very important for germline modifications. For somatic modifications [non-heritable edits in DNA of childrens and adults body cells], its not important, any more than for any other medical procedure, because it really isnt any different from any other medical procedure.

SN: Are there similar registries for other types of research?

Baltimore: There is a global registry of clinical trials. I dont know of another global registry that focuses on a particular therapeutic activity. On the other hand, there is nothing quite similar to gene editing that has ever been done before, so it would be reasonable to create it.

SN: Can rogue activity, such as Hes creation of gene-edited babies, be prevented?

Baltimore: We want to create an environment where its very clear that we shouldnt be moving ahead right now. [But] we cant absolutely prevent that. You cant prevent murder by having a law against murder. It still happens. Laws arent ways of preventing something; they are ways of indicating societys opinion, and to take a person who has done it out of circulation if theyre a danger, but you dont prevent the actual event from happening.

SN: What is the potential impact of individual governments or an international treaty restricting gene editing?

Baltimore: It could hold back the science. Right now there are many countries that have outlawed [germline editing] and the way they have phrased it prevents certain kinds of experimental work from being done. That is unfortunate, because I think we want to move forward with experimentation.

In the United States, you cant do anything that modifies an embryo [paid for] with federal funds. But you can with private funds, so we are moving forward in the United States, using nonfederal money.

[In the moratorium proposal], they talk about individual countries making their own decisions, and I think thats how it has to happen. Its very hard to imagine a treaty with all of them and all the complications surrounding this issue. It would take so long, it would be out-of-date before it was passed.

I dont see how we could prevent a country from saying its their position that germline editing should be allowed. There would be a lot of debate about that and such a country would find itself in the position of being an international outlier, and [might] not want to be that, so there would be a lot of pressure to conform. But we just dont have the mechanism for international law beyond treaties.

SN: Do you envision a day when gene editing will be safe and effective enough to use for germline modifications?

Baltimore: I do.

SN: When?

Baltimore: You never know, because it depends on new technological innovations. They could happen tomorrow or they could not happen for years. It probably isnt a matter of more than a few years.

SN: Has there been enough public education and debate that society will be ready for germline modification?

Baltimore: There are couples today who would like to have a child that inherits their genes, but among their genes, there is one [mutated gene] they would not like their offspring to inherit. If we could guarantee that the offspring would not inherit a mutated gene, they would then be able to haRead More – Source


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